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HEY HEY P4 LIKING PEOPLE HEY

A friend and I were talking about P4's True End on AIM and came to... interesting conclusions, and I figured I'd share and see what you guys had to say maybe? IDK

to the kolkhoz (4:21:15 AM): I found it odd how :/ Souji seemed to be even then
to the kolkhoz (4:21:21 AM): I mean I know he has to be silent but
to the kolkhoz (4:21:30 AM): I think he... is kinda hollow?
Madarahime (4:21:52 AM): I think that's the quality that made him be able to do what he did lol
Madarahime (4:22:02 AM): But yeah, I had the same feeling
Madarahime (4:22:28 AM): Not even a tear shed when these people all just... you know...
to the kolkhoz (4:22:31 AM): *nod*
to the kolkhoz (4:22:50 AM): I'm with the manga - he moves around so often that he DOESN'T LET himself attach
to the kolkhoz (4:23:10 AM): ...hoshi what if HE was emptiness in the trio Izanami went on about
Madarahime (4:23:21 AM): I wondered a bit
Madarahime (4:23:23 AM): if he was
to the kolkhoz (4:23:33 AM): but Adachi isn't hope so much as
to the kolkhoz (4:23:38 AM): constant annoyance
Madarahime (4:24:01 AM): What was the other one?
to the kolkhoz (4:24:25 AM): Despair
to the kolkhoz (4:24:41 AM): ...fuck think about it
Madarahime (4:24:43 AM): Yeah
Madarahime (4:24:45 AM): Exactly
Madarahime (4:24:46 AM): lol
to the kolkhoz (4:24:49 AM): what's his name Kira hoped to save people and keep them safe
to the kolkhoz (4:24:59 AM): Adachi's all THE WORLD SUCKS IT WILL ALWAYS SUCK FUCKING SUCKY SUCK SUCK
Madarahime (4:25:02 AM): Exactly.
to the kolkhoz (4:25:04 AM): and Souji is :|
to the kolkhoz (4:25:13 AM): so hope lost? shit lol
Madarahime (4:25:17 AM): lol
to the kolkhoz (4:25:31 AM): CONGRATS HUMANITY YOU WIN EMPTINESS
Madarahime (4:25:55 AM): AND AN EXISTENCE BASED ON LIES
to the kolkhoz (4:26:01 AM): GOOD JORB

I'm not sure exactly how to make it work (maybe Souji's s-linked based victory shows that humanity is able to forge fake bonds no matter how hollow they are, idk), but... somehow the trio always kind of bugged me, because Adachi's not empty. Hell, he's constantly angry that he can't be, if anything.

Thoughts, guys? idk this is just rambling it is 4:30 AM and I should not be posting.

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I don't think Adachi is emptiness, either, though I still stick with Souji = hope. I kind of lean Adachi as despair, actually, because he goes on that huge tirade about how the world fucks over your hopes and dreams and it's pointless to be an optimist when you're an adult because the world is unforgiving and cruel. I think Namatame's efforts work for emptiness, too, though, because everything he did was in an attempt to fill the void that his losses left behind. He lost Mayumi and his job and his prestige and his wife, and he had to find something to fill the huge gap it left behind, so he started his SAVIOR!!! routine.

I think Adachi as despair fits with THE WORLD WILL NEVER BE BETTER too, because that's what despair is, it's a resignation to things being always the way they are without any hope for improvement.

I think Souji's victory and the fact that it's brought about by S. Links wherein people change for the better proves he's hope. Even if he's not hope personally, he was a force of hope for those people, giving them a reason to move forward and become better people and say goodbye to who they were before. Obviously it doesn't apply to like ... the fox, lol, but Yosuke is the one I'm thinking of here, how he talks about "everything inside him changed" after Souji came along, and Izanami mentions that people were drawn to the "spark" she instilled in Souji, which could have been that light at the end of the tunnel feeling. The party and other people say a lot that Souji feels like he's something special, and yeah, that's why I hold out for Souji as hope :D

REGARDLESS, BACK TO TOPIC: Yeah I don't buy Adachi as emptiness either and while I can see why people would argue it I think despair was probably the intended choice for him.

Edited 2009-04-11 11:50 (UTC)

SOB I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT i'm so out of the loop

brb stealing my brother's ps2

Ah, this just came up while talking to Igor, regarding the Fool:

"It is like the number zero... empty, yet holding infinite potential within itself."

Reply: "Empty..?"

"The Persona ability is the power to control one's own heart... and the heart is strengthened through bonds. As you form bonds by becoming involved with others, your own Social Links will gradually develop. The power of these Social Links is what will determine your Persona's abilities."

It looks like Igor confirms that you're empty, and it's those around you who give you that power to change the world. I didn't think anything of it during the first play, haha.